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73 Members come to County Hall to Discuss Democracy & Leadership in the Labour Party

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What a turnout - so many of us came to debate Democracy and Leadership in the Labour Party!

Thank you everyone for your attendance and robust but respectful debate. 

News night came to interview a group of our members earlier in the evening - we are on Newsnight- Tuesday 5th July. http://bbc.in/29wmHK2 about 24 mins in to the programme.

 

Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall)
Wondering what actual Labour members are thinking about #KeepCorbyn? take a look at my report from Newsnight here: goo.gl/xzsDJ9

 

 

Councillor Andy Botham gave a short talk to start the proceeding and debate and motions followed.

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The 2 motions were passed and the one from Young Labour was noted.  

Members debated and voted on each part of the resolution in the first motion separately and then, after each had been approved, the full motion was approved by 58 votes to 6 with 9 abstentions. The second motion was passed by 36 votes to 32 with 6 abstentions.

 

Motion  1 – for Derbyshire Dales Full Members Only

 This CLP - 

Notes:

  • Jeremy Corbyn is the democratically-elected Leader of our party who secured a resounding mandate less than ten months ago under an electoral procedure fully supported by Labour MPs.  
  • The orchestrated resignation of members of the shadow cabinet and subsequent attempt by the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) to remove Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party at a time when the Government and its leaders should be held to account
  • A vote of no confidence by the PLP has no basis in the Party constitution
  • The statement of support for Jeremy Corbyn by leaders of the affiliated trade unions

Believes:

  • The resignations and vote of no confidence by the PLP is an attempt to force Jeremy Corbyn to resign without consulting the membership and is therefore undemocratic
  • This action by the PLP  is an attempt to overturn the highest ever mandate secured by any elected party leader
  • This action by the PLP is an insult to members of our party and is demonstrative of a PLP who is out of touch, not only with its grassroots but also to those in society who most need a party who will listen to them and then act on their behalf.
  • A Leadership election would be an unwelcome distraction at this time of crisis
  • A leadership contest without Jeremy Corbyn on the ballot would be undemocratic and illegitimate
  • The only party that can win for working people and those who have suffered most under the torment of austerity is a strong and united Labour Party.

Resolves:

a)     To write to the PLP and leader's office to urge them to accept the offer made by the General Secretaries of the Affiliated Trade Unions to act as negotiators between them, with the aim that the parliamentary business of the Labour Party continues through this crisis and that all MPs can get on with carrying out their roles as part of the official opposition.

b)     If a leadership election occurs through the proper procedures we would expect all parts of the party to honour the result and pull together in the interests of the future of our party and the values that we represent. 

c)     To call on the NEC to ensure that Jeremy Corbyn appears on the ballot if there is a leadership contest

d)     To call for a review of the constitution in order to prevent the PLP from holding self destructive no confidence motions in the future

e)     To write to the PLP with a copy of this motion asking them to either stand by their leader or call a properly constituted election within the week,  in order to stop further damage to our party. 

f)      To call for all loyal Party, affiliated union members and supporters to organise meetings to discuss next steps including making the policies that Jeremy Corbyn was elected on the official policy of the Labour Party so we can offer a clear alternative and effective opposition to the Tories

 

Proposer:  Marianne Quick

Seconder: Phil Whitney

 

 

 

Motion 2: For Derbyshire Dales Full Members Only

 

▪    To call for the creation of an independent inquiry into the attempted removal of Jeremy Corbyn as leader by the PLP, with a view to taking appropriate disciplinary action if and when party rules are shown to have been contravened by members of the PLP.

 

Proposer: Kevin Foley

Seconder : Fiona Hayes

 

 

 

Motion 3 - from Young Labour

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Derbyshire Dales Young Labour:

  • Is saddened by the attempts from large segments of the Parliamentary Labour Party to destabilise the leadership;
  • Is ashamed at the actions of the majority of the PLP who, in doing so, are turning their backs on Britain in its     time of need;

 

 Against this background, Derbyshire Dales Young Labour:

 

 1. Has no confidence in the rebel members of the Parliamentary Labour Party to represent and uphold the values of the Labour Party.

 

2. Wishes to affirm its support for the incumbent leader of the Labour Party: the Rt. Hon. Jeremy Corbyn MP.

 

Uther Naysmith – Young Labour CLP Officer

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commented 2016-07-06 17:22:17 +0100
Hi Martin. While you are correct to say that there was no motion supporting the MPs, that is because no motions were submitted. In Ro’s original e-mail to all members, she asked for motions to be submitted by Sunday afternoon. There were two of the seven interviewed by Newsnight who supported the PLP. If that didn’t come over, it was due to the way that Newsnight chose to edit down a discussion that took nearly an hour into a two minute slot.
commented 2016-07-06 17:22:17 +0100
Hi Martin. While you are correct to say that there was no motion supporting the MPs, that is because no motions were submitted. In Ro’s original e-mail to all members, she asked for motions to be submitted by Sunday afternoon. There were two of the seven interviewed by Newsnight who supported the PLP. If that didn’t come over, it was due to the way that Newsnight chose to edit down a discussion that took nearly an hour into a two minute slot.
commented 2016-07-06 17:21:38 +0100
I don’t quite know what the procedure is but it seems nobody proposed such a motion. If they had it would have been debated and voted upon.
The table top speakers were proposers and seconders for the motion. There was plenty of opposition from the floor. Thoroughly rounded and fair discussion I thought.
The panel (as I understand it) was half n half for and against. Blame the TV crew editing if it seemed unbalanced but they did add some opposing voices to the programme.
I believe the Corbyn supporters aren’t a radical minority with different views from the electorate – they ARE of the electorate and probably a tip of the iceberg of Corbyn support.
The views of MPs didn’t seem to be very “informed and representative of the voters that will be required to vote Labour to win a general election” during the last few elections did they!!! Some wishful thinking here!
Most CLPs are also pro Corbyn and not happy with their MPs.
But the main thing which got massive support is that a big majority think there should be proper democratic procedure to change leader. Corbyn would agree to that too.
There doesn’t seem to be a case for the use of force and it is bringing the party into disrepute and rendering it ineffective.
commented 2016-07-06 16:55:33 +0100
There was lack of balance to the meeting, with no motion supporting the MPs who have no confidence in Corbyn as leader of the party, and no top-table speaker to give an opposing view to that of Andy Botham at the start of the meeting. Similarly in the panel interview at the start of the Newsnight item, only one out of the eight representatives of our CLP was supportive of the large majority of our MPs. I believe that the views of our MPs are far more informed and representative of the voters that will be required to vote Labour to win a general election than are the views of Labour Party members who support Corbyn.
commented 2016-07-06 07:48:13 +0100
Thanks to everyone attending – I hope you saw Newsnight last night! It was a fair and balanced report on our discussion before hand – we aimed to represent the range of opinions in the discussion with them.

I have now sent our motions off to different officials and representatives within the Labour Party.

Rosemary Mackenzie CLP Secretary
commented 2016-07-05 17:09:46 +0100
Sorry I couldn’t attend the meeting, but I agree absolutely with the motions proposed and believe that it’s vital for the leadership to carry on resisting this pathetic attempt at overturning the democratic decisions of the members.
‘Unelectable’ only means ‘we don’t want Corbyn to be elected’, and we should remember that regardless of what the media and PLP try to smear the leadership with.
commented 2016-07-05 17:00:32 +0100
I was really encouraged to see how many of us at the meeting were firmly behind Jeremy Corbyn. It’s so important that he remains at the helm – precisely because of his political stance. He represents a genuine alternative to the Tories – and one which has clearly inspired so many people to get involved (or re-involved) with, not just the Labour Party in particular, but with Politics (Big P) more generally. In my view, Labour’s failure in Scotland is largely down to them being seen (with some justification) as a form of Tory-lite. Backing Corbyn will be crucial in re-establishing a foothold with our friends in the north.

It will be interesting to see Newsnight’s coverage of our event!
commented 2016-07-05 13:51:18 +0100
Absolutely support the motions.PLP are a disgrace.
commented 2016-07-05 12:42:43 +0100
A very interesting evening thank you. The debate focused on the reaction of the CLP to the disloyalty of the PLP. The second motion proposer observed that in industry this would result in an enquiry. I disagree, in industry they would have been summarily dismissed.
Having failed to dislodge the leader the coup is now stalled and, as the future of local democracy is at stake, the members should be called to account by their local sponsors. There seems to be a fear of the term “de-selection”. Why would any local party not wish to have a representative who reflected their views, and what is wrong with that?
commented 2016-07-05 10:52:47 +0100
Thank you for organising last night’s meeting. An excellent turnout and debate. Encouraging to see such a cross section of ages and views, engaged in a very civilised debate – far better than Question Time!
Appropriate guest speakers at future meeting with questions and answer session, would no doubt attract increasing numbers of attendees and New Members.
WELL DONE TO ALL CONCERNED.
commented 2016-07-05 08:41:44 +0100
Lots of interesting points raised e.g: if the PLP had put its weight behind Corbyn and the remain campaign from the beginning instead of indulging in a self centred power struggle, the outcome might have been very different. The PLP lost the vote, not Corbyn.

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